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 Post subject: Another Turbo GY6 Ruckus..... this time its complete!!
PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 12:48 pm 
I've been wanting to do this for over a year or two, After finally collecting enough parts and making time for it. I can finally say its done!!
I've spent the last 12 years or so of my life building things like this... I feel pretty confident I can Turbocharge my Ruckus!!

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Anyways, on to the Ruckus.... There seems to be no real information on making it work properly or power, boost, results, etc....
If we can quadruple the horsepower on 4 cylinders, v8's, etc.... why cant we make a ruckus the same? Drift Ruckus maybe..? :highfive:
Lol, thats a little far fetched, but the reality of it is there!! either that or I'm about to find out the hard way why.... $$$$$$$$$$$

I just want to do rolling burnouts at 20 mph or so!! :popcorn:

Anyways, Bike is a 2014 Ruckus with a 180cc GY6 swap, Custom rear Frame, custom gas tank, custom everything, 12" wheels, blah, blah, blah...
Ecotrons EFI conversion, IHI Vz21 turbo. Vortech blow off Valve I think..
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Playing with Turbo Placement.
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I originally was going to mount lower near the Spark plug, but then I realized I could get away with a much simpler Oil drain setup! No tearing the motor down or tapping shit. (for the return at least)
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I think this will work well, no intercooler for now. Layout is sorted.
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A buddy hooked me up with a special fitting that goes to a catchcan setup. It now drains directly back into the fill hole! Its just a simple aluminum barb fitting that replaces the dipstick. I wanted to use nice AN lines, but the run is way to short to fit, two fittings, flanges and hose.... so rubber it is...
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I normally hate pie cut crap, its soooo tedious and it doesn't appeal to me.... but whatever I think it will be fitting on this bike, plus it allows me to keep the exhaust nice and tight with the bike.
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Back purged and welded, takes forever to not overheat.... :headbashing: that polished pipe tho :mrgreen:
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All the Exhaust components are built from stainless steel and the intake is Aluminum.
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I've had this BOV in my tool box for years, it came off of Paxton or Vortech supercharged Viper that I Twin Turbo'd! :banger:
Its kinda big, but its adjustable and Black!
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The Ecotrons setup is a Pain in the Dick. Its been hard to deal with, but I think I have it sorted out and running well finally.
The install is easy, except for the Fuel system. you can expect to replace half the fittings with the correct size and/or line.
My Bluetooth phone logger already quit working, and I've had one ecu go bad. They cant even tell me what injector they sold me... it sucks.
The narrow band O2 sensor provided never worked, but that's Ok you shouldn't rely on that anyways. Wideband AEM it is!!
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I mounted the ECU on a tray under the seat hidden. Stuffing all the wiring and components was tough, I wasn't about to cut up the ECOTRons harness!!! the Rest of my harness was tucked away previously.

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Custom Battery Tray for to hold my 9lb walmart battery...
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Fortunately It fired right up! the base map was pretty lean once the bike was warmed up and Revving.
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Heres a video of it idling that day before any tuning, Base Map
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I cruised it for a day or two on the base map to get a feel for everything, very low throttle inputs, slow speeds and acceleration. It had a few dead spots in the MAP and would hesitate.
Over the past few days, I made some good progress tuning out the issues and getting closer to actually getting into boost. I've had to add about 30% more fuel all around thus far and totally tuned out the dead spots/ hesitation. I want to take it real slow and ensure everything is going as intended. Not looking forward to building any more motors :highfive:
The Tuning is Very Time consuming, The Ecotrons has to Flash the ECU everytime you want to make a change. It will not work on the fly... :evil:
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I'd like to Ceramic Coat The Header and Turbine housing black! Leaving the polished Exhaust!

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 Post subject: Re: Another Turbo GY6 Ruckus..... this time its complete!!
PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 1:12 pm 
WoW!

Hell of a thing
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 1:20 pm 
As a guy who has built turbo cars, how can you compare the cost of this to a turbo charged car? I've done the turbo car thing and it was pretty pricey ($3,000 in USED parts?). How much did this run you?

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 1:23 pm 
Pretty beastly. :highfive:

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 1:29 pm 
Freemananana wrote:
As a guy who has built turbo cars, how can you compare the cost of this to a turbo charged car? I've done the turbo car thing and it was pretty pricey ($3,000 in USED parts?). How much did this run you?


Its a bit cheaper overall, but still comparable to a car to do it right...
The Efi is like $600 with all the turbo parts.
The turbo is $400-$500 with all the flanges and fittings.
Material + Fab time... who knows...
Wideband 02 is $175
I had a lot of this stuff and built it all myself, so My cost probably wont relate to most people...
for the average person without a Fab shop, i really couldn't imagine.... I've got a good bit of time. It took me about a month or two working on it in my spare time a few hours here and there with a few solid days at it.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 1:44 pm 
Sweetness! So, at you able to do rolling burnouts at 20mph? This is something that has definitely grabbed my attention.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 2:34 pm 
Nice ride :highfive:

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 5:19 pm 
Not bad. That's fair, but I'm unsure if it is for me though. I'm pretty impatient about robust tuning.

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 Post subject: Re: Another Turbo GY6 Ruckus..... this time its complete!!
PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 11:52 pm 
So from a turbo v8 tunning perspective, compared to a 1 cylinder turbo setup... i have a question..

suppose you add boost into a chamber- ie- the area before intake valve... on a v8 since there are multiple paths for boost to pressurize, i see how air can awesomely go here and there and be distributed..... one a 1 cylinder, where does the extra pressure that the piston cant suck in go? Hmm.. i can see boost being ok for full on wide open long track racing, but dont see how this will work easily on the street... even 180cc seems too small to make turboing worth the hassle.. my though has always been two or more cylinders for boost.

Good job on everything youve built! Im seriously not hating on ya here... im very curious to see if ya can get er all sorted so we can see some rolling burners! :banger:

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2014 1:05 am 
greyduck wrote:

suppose you add boost into a chamber- ie- the area before intake valve... on a v8 since there are multiple paths for boost to pressurize, i see how air can awesomely go here and there and be distributed..... one a 1 cylinder, where does the extra pressure that the piston cant suck in go? Hmm.. i can see boost being ok for full on wide open long track racing, but dont see how this will work easily on the street... even 180cc seems too small to make turboing worth the hassle.. my though has always been two or more cylinders for boost.



To me, its all Relative. Its the same concept and I'm definitely not the first to do it. Its a constant cycle with mechanically controlled boost, irregardless of how many cylinders. In theory the turbo has to work less to maintain the boost to fill a smaller chamber/area/volume, but then again your driving it with less Energy too. The wastegate works off of boost pressure, blind to how many cylinders are driving it..... There's a ton of variables, but they apply the same as any turbo v8 setup. It has a blow off valve and a Wastegate. Boost is bypassed the same ways just as it would be on V8, 4 cylinder, or a v12.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2014 4:47 am 
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Its a bit cheaper overall, but still comparable to a car to do it right...
The Efi is like $600 with all the turbo parts.
The turbo is $400-$500 with all the flanges and fittings.
Material + Fab time... who knows...
Wideband 02 is $175
I had a lot of this stuff and built it all myself


I looked at the system you used. Was it the 34mm throttle body? I'm curious what kind of gains and consistency you will see. Do you have any knock detecting equipment? I know a lot of people who use det cans while street tuning.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2014 8:39 pm 
The BEST BUILD EVER!!! :highfive:

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2014 10:41 pm 
Freemananana wrote:

I looked at the system you used. Was it the 34mm throttle body? I'm curious what kind of gains and consistency you will see. Do you have any knock detecting equipment? I know a lot of people who use det cans while street tuning.


I'm pretty sure I have the 28mm Setup.
No knock detecting Hardware, I feel like the motor is too loud anyways.... just lots of plug checks and a Wideband 02 for me...

I made a bit of progress today, and then the Fuel pump quit on me :pissed:
It was sounding so good, it Wants to fly, thats for sure!!
The sounds coming from the turbo put the biggest smile on my face.

It thought I had recorded a video rolling around, but I got home and its no where to be found :(

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