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 Post subject: Re: Metro Build On The Cheap FATTY INSTALLED Pg 8
PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 10:13 am 
I'm glad you started a mount but that shock mount doesn't look right. Its angled weird but hey its a start. :banger:

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 Post subject: Re: Metro Build On The Cheap FATTY INSTALLED Pg 8
PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 10:50 am 
got the ground clearance ride height thing all worked out

ended up installing a longer rear bottom shock mount then what I had before with the stretch



im all about having a safe bike, and not breaking apart the engine because its too low




here are some before and after
and also using different shock stiffness settings

ride height
medium shock stiffness

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super bounce
note header hits ground where I slipped a larger diameter pipe over it to extend it to clean the exhaust
I think if it was the stock skinny pipe then the skid plate would be hitting

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stiffest shock setting
ride height

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stiffest setting bounce test
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longer rear shock mount
how its going to stay for now on

Max super bounce test
softest shock setting (longer rear shock mount)
note my foot in the air
I was coming off a hard bounce so it pushed my foot up
plenty of ground clearance


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this is the rebound bonce
look how much travel the entire bike has
makes for a decent ride

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ride height

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 Post subject: Re: Metro Build On The Cheap FATTY INSTALLED Pg 8
PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 10:53 am 
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I'm glad you started a mount but that shock mount doesn't look right. Its angled weird but hey its a start. :banger:


the way the met frame is for the upper mount there is alot of angles and stuff in the way to do the correct length mount along with having to fit everything under the body panel too

which is why I add a lower shock mount to help keep the right angle
but you can never get it like stock was just because there is no room to do so
remember the bike was made with a shorter swingarm to begin with

so were adding an extra 4 inches to length and angle when adding a ruck swingarm
not to mention length when doing a stretch
and not alot of room



I can always make a one off mount if someone wanted it to follow the frame
I have a spare frame I use when I weld my mounts so they are an exact fit
but it would take me alot of time and cutting to do that


here in red shows you can run a mount out a little farther
although im not sure how close that ends up to any body panels

but you have to avoid a dip and then place alot of the stress along that upper frame area which I believe is the area the ecu and battery live
not sure how structurally strong that part is

im trying to keep my mounts simple, and inexpensive to make
and keeping the stress in the shock mount area

the yellow is around where mine is now, this was an early version of my mount

and the green would be how long I send them for the buyer to decide how long to run it


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now because of the fatty I also had to figure a way to offset the shock mount too

this is what I came up with
ugly, but functional
and its hidden so who cares
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not sure if that type of offset mount could be made to follow up the rear of the frame as it would be in the air by then

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 Post subject: Re: Metro Build On The Cheap FATTY INSTALLED Pg 8
PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 11:56 am 
Looking good mike! Digging the projector light!

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 11:58 am 
So how much is the new kit going to sell for?

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 Post subject: Re: Metro Build On The Cheap FATTY INSTALLED Pg 8
PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 12:41 pm 
classic67 wrote:
So how much is the new kit going to sell for?



well there are many ways to do it
let the buyer take care of supplying the longer bolt and spacer
and all I have to fabricate is the rear shock mount depending on what stretch they are using
if its a new install too




Or I think what may end up happening is it would be wise to include new side straps and lower shock mount for those that already used my stretch, or my stretch install kits I originally were selling
and the longer bolt and spacer
I can make the spacer slightly longer as there are variables to shifting over the engine that can be different depending on how much you grind away

like on mine ive used 2 different stretches so its not a fresh install and things have already been ground away before

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 2:32 pm 
max highest and lowest it can go GIF

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 Post subject: Re: Metro Build On The Cheap FATTY INSTALLED Pg 8
PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2014 5:28 pm 
took 2 different met exhausts I had laying around
one had larger header, and the other had larger outlet
Also made stainless heat shield not shown under plastic shield
So my fiberglass bond doesn't get too hot along with the glue holding the two halves together


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also plasti dipped the rear wheel black
although I did like the shiny aluminum look it didnt match the front wheel covers
im debating weather or not to use my chrome powder coat and do the front wheel covers
then peel off the plasti dip

but for now I will see how it is all black



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2014 11:41 pm 
Cover was a nice touch. OEM+

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 Post subject: Re: Metro Build On The Cheap FATTY INSTALLED Pg 8
PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 8:32 am 
going to look into an aftermarket ruckus shock

hopefully just a little smaller then the kitaco which is what I have now
as thats like 1 inch longer then the stock shock

but also have the adjustable spring so it will sit lower when not on the bike
and I can adjust the spring to keep close to the same height when bounce testing it as I have it set now
so im expecting maybe stiffer suspension but I want it to sit lower when its parked
so you have to compromise somewhere

so I dont have to worry about breaking off the exhaust or engine bottom
and im pretty sure one or two cuts with the grinder I can make my top shock adapter work as ive done it before

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 2:48 pm 
got a poon shock today

its much fatter, but has a ton of adjustments

it has height both top and bottom can be unscrewed to raise or lower it

and also the spring tension


first I had to come up with a new mount
since it was fatter this also meant I had to offset the mount over more at the top

compared to my kitaco only the top part expanded longer
I dont want to mess with the bottom
also the way its made I can easily take out the spring to repaint
but I like the neon green maybe will do other parts on my bike this color


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here it is smallest
as you can see same length as the kitaco
I was hoping it would be smaller
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still nice and straight

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this is what I came up with
since it was as tall as the kitaco I decided to raise it up as high as I could
this also puts it at a better level
I may add a gusset or something not sure yet
its just welded on all 4 sides


this was the first test
right on the swingarm
problem was too low, and the shock spring being so fat pushed the body panel over causing the other side to rub on the tire

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experimented with my lower adapters I have laying around
but because they are square tubing I had to grind the inside of the shock wider
which took forever but I got it

in the end I used the bottom mount I Have been using
note it places the shock further inside the body, now the plastic miss when compressing
so dont have to worry about the body tearing into the tire
Shock spring is at max tightness
and shock body is set to the shortest

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right now bottom out is lower
I need to see if I expand the shock taller, if that helps
but I also dont want to loose how low the bike sits when parked too

thats the whole reason I got this shock, to look lower parked


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max height jumping
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now the before and after ride height

before (yesterday)

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after (today)
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Im guessing 1/4 inch lower now? ride height
hard to tell from the pics




and max lowest looks like 3/8 lower????







now parked height

before Note the engine height not the body panels
it is lower but just by a little
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I can get the shock a tiny more tighter I wanted to leave a few rows of threads left incase I did need to loosen it up
so I will probably tighten it all way
still has smooth travel being so tight so im not worried about it being super bouncy

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 3:30 pm 
here's the crazy ass mount
super ugly but my cnc machine is broken down right now :P



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2014 11:31 am 
since I got that new shock I liked the color
so im going to do a few other parts in that green

got some sample colors from prismatic powders to match to the shock


neon yellow and neon green

the green is a closer match
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also got a shocker yellow
basically its like neon green and neon yellow
different angle it changes color
but has to be over a silver or chrome to reflect properly
which isnt a big deal I have chrome but the parts im doing will be so small probably wont ever see the color change
so not going to use it

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2014 5:28 pm 
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