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 Post subject: Polini CDI toggle switch
PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 5:28 am 
Hey

I was thinking about some idea for a Zoomer tricked out with a Polini CDi

Is there a clever electronics dude amongst you who could tell me whether it is possible to include a toggle switch on/off system to fit between the CDI and the OE Zoomer loom ? Bearing in mind the Polini CDI is a piggyback system, not a replacement box, it kinda sounds like it could be possible since all the OE equipment is there and the Polini leeches in ?

I'd be rather interested to have such a feature, for police control issues especially.

Could anyone shine a light ? I'm thinking a 6 pole switch (or however many wires there are coming out of the CDI if such a thing exists) tapped in but is that just me being stupid ?

Or maybe not all the wires need to be interrupted ?

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 5:41 am 
Or maybe a switch just cutting out the ground wire would disconnect without damaging unit or preventing the honda from starting/running on its stock equipment ?

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 8:34 am 
Hmmm... yes, and no... the polini CDI connects to multiple wires...

It could be done, but from what I'm thinking you're need a switch that does like a 5 or 6 way flick, so it does all the wires in one go, tbh it'd be a fuckin' nightmare to try and hook up, just hide it somewhere and the police won't know a thing...

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 9:20 am 
Hi

The police are starting to get equipped with portable dyno benches round where i live...

Next year we will have MOT on 50cc bikes, because lits of them have been tuned. Of course the day before MOT i could disxonnect the polini, but i'm thinking that if possible to doit with the flick of a switch, that would kill 2 birds with one stone. If you get signed by police to the side of the road a quick flip could save hassle. And a flip of the switch would avoid having to work on scoot before MOT.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 10:41 am 
Ok, I'm still trying to see what you're trying to avoid... the variator is actually the most contributing factor to the upgrade in the scoots performance, and you can't flick that off, the CDI is secondary...

Also... and MOT will find the CDI unit regardless, and at least in UK law, it's not an MOT failure and the only people that even care are your insurance.

I think what you'll find is, the MOT on 50cc's is not made for four strokes, but actually for two strokes, where the case is that a two stroke may be brought and then a 70cc kit may be put onto it quite easily.

I can make you a wiring diagram for it, it will need about 3 switches looking at it, but I'd check what the MOT looks at, because I don't think they'll bother with you having a CDI, like I say, it's most likely for two strokers.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 10:13 pm 
Rama, hes looking for a switch that would switch between the Zoomer being stock, in one mode and in polini mode , switched the other way. It can be done. There is a guy in Holland that used to make them, called Speedyplusplus. But ALAS he stopped making them. And guess what. He made them for excactly the reason you want it.... To evade the police dynos... ;)

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 12:24 am 
I know what he's looking for and it's doable just makes no sense...

It doesn't make sense to me why the police would do anything to you with a CDI in... it's still 50cc regardless... :|

Like I say, the only reason I can imagine the police would do a roadside is cus those chavs and their two strokes reg as a 50cc and upgrade to a 70cc and never declare it.

I'm trying to figure out a logical legal standpoint as to why they'd actually prosecute you for having a CDI in when it actually contributes LESS than the variator does :|

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 12:58 am 
HI guys

it makes sense in France where any modification to a vehicle is illegal. :|

Now, you can get away with most aesthetic mods. (still got fined last week for my R6 light though)

But at the mo they're starting to get very nervous about kids 50cc scooters (granted, mainly because 2T are widely tuneable to very unreasonable standards). When I get stopped (always have a full face helmet) they're kinda like "seeing you on that thing I wasn't expecting you to be 30 AND have a full bike license"

A mobile dyno test will certainly prove that the HP is higher. A vario alone does not raise HP, unless I'm mistaken.

If i get a dyno test and they see I have a Vario, they'll say, dude thats not cool, here's your fine, and pass by on monday to show us you've removed it.

If I get a dyno test and HP is higher than stock, they'll say, thats not cool, we'll just keep your scooter. thanks for playing. :meh:



Thats more or less whats on as from next year. Hence my wondering if this was anything possible to be done.

@ Zoomerdude, what was this thing made of ?

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 1:12 am 
Ram, makes perfect sense.

The law here in the UK also says that a 49cc moped must be restricted to a certain output, 28 mph, when new. This is to stop people with a car only licence from going over a certain speed.

If you have a CBT you can modify a 50cc, de-restrcit it, up to a 125 power output.

Now in Holland for instance there are 2 types of moped, dont know thier official names, however one has a blue plate and the other a yellow (Blue plates allow you to ride without a helmet and are restricted to a stupidly low speed, 10 mph or something and the yellow plate is limited to 28 mph) and the police over there are hot with dyno testing. They also have a simple rule that for every mph over the standard allowed incurs additional euro fine and if you are caught 3 times in the same year they will confiscate and scrap your bike.

Black Market - it is and has been done before in Holland as Zoomerdude has stated.

My advice would be to find a local college that is into electronics and speak to the tutor to see if he fancies giving a student a challenge and pay for the parts.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 2:10 am 
Modification is illegal? fuck that shit, move out of france, now...

Ok, fair enough, It's not hard to do the switch in theory... the white wire, and the red and the yellow are essentially a T branch, and as such could have switch on the CDI wires and flick on/off, easy, the difficult comes with the wire that attaches to the pink wire at the head of the engine. You would need a switch that disengages the two CDI wires and reconnects the pink one.

I concur with bishop, that kind of thing can benefit both you and the student :P



But FYI, no, it still doesn't make sense, it's an illogical law that's clearly been brought in to penalize the few and has inadvertently hit some of the many, ie, yourself. Considering you have a full drivers license they should just let you go, since you could be riding something with hideous amounts of HP :S like a Triumph Rocket 3

Surely if a modification passes the MOT inspection it is essentially safe and roadworthy... Unlike most people I've never had a problem with the police, and the ones I've met seem fine, but 95% of them don't know their ass from their elbow when it comes to "what passes an MOT, and what's safe"

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 5:46 am 
Well it basically makes police judgement easy (well, in theory) : if its not like it was when it came out the factory, you are not street legal, basically. Of course, there are obviously different levels of fraud, they're not going to stop you for most aesthetics mods, but they certainly don't like mechanical/frame work : engine upgrade, disc brakes, etc

MOT in France is quite supple. I managed to get cars through that have been extensively modified. But that happens because if the mod is not included in a list of things not allowing MOT appraisal, these things can't be held against you getting the MOT.

Example : engine swap is highly illegal as far ar police and insurance etc. But nothing in MOT check states it can't be done.

So you can still get MOT...

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could someone tell me why speedplusplus stopped making these things ?

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 1:00 pm 
I tried finding the page where he explains why, but could not find it. I think he stopped making them since essencially it would be considderedhighly illegal, since its blatantly misleading the police into thinking that your bike is something its not. And the cops dont like that, one bit...
And ultimately he didnt want then tracing it back to him. I have seen the thread once before on the Dutch forum and its MUCH more complicated than just a switch. Its a very impressive little circuitbaord that he builds/t and designed himself. All of it fits into a little plastic box, no bigger than a Polini CDi and that in turn gets connected via various wiring. There is now another way that the guys are hiding the switch... But more of that once the cops figure it out for themselves first :wink:

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 4:19 pm 
I'm ok with PMs otherwise, if it shouldn't (understandably) be openly published.

and of course being in france I would reasonably just say I made the thing if ever anything was asked about such a system :D

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 7:11 am 
Hello there,

Look on the new Duch forum www.hondazoomerclub.nl in the section "howto", and look for Polini.
I have made a howto about a switchable Polini.
I made a on/on switch in the end of my handlebar behind the rubber grip, so i can switch the Polini on and off.
I tried it with several Zoomer/Ruckus specialists and they all couldnt find the switch.
So now i can Switch between ride with or without Polini CDI

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:55 am 
Villastrangiato wrote:
Hello there,

Look on the new Duch forum http://www.hondazoomerclub.nl in the section "howto", and look for Polini.
I have made a howto about a switchable Polini.
I made a on/on switch in the end of my handlebar behind the rubber grip, so i can switch the Polini on and off.
I tried it with several Zoomer/Ruckus specialists and they all couldnt find the switch.
So now i can Switch between ride with or without Polini CDI

Greetings from Holland !!

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:laugh: This is the one I saw.... I only thought it might be better if the maker posts where he put it.
I didnt wanna be the reason the Dutch police figure out where he had hid his turbo boost button ;)

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