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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 9:05 pm 
a performance update......
I installed a new belt today.....
the results were depressing! :(

It added 2 seconds to my best 0-60 time.
I realize it probably added a little topend as well, but if your goal is a quick 1/4 mile, take my advice........
use an old belt.

Yep, I'll be putting that old one back on before Durham! :D

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 9:12 pm 
I'll be running a new belt, oem variator, 3-26 gram and 3-31 gram weights to NC. Then changing to old belt, and Costa -2 pins when I get there!

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:24 pm 
I'll try to determine if it's just the stiffness of the new belt or if it really is the width, as I suspect.

The old belt has 9000 miles and looks mint.....only the caliper shows it to be narrower than the old one.
the wear is so small, you cannot "feel" the difference with your fingers....
with 9000 miles it's still less than 1/3 of the way to the wear limit.

but the old one is very flexible and that could be the difference......
at 27,400 miles (about 44,000 kms?) this makes my 4th drive belt in 2 years!


But I think I'm going to push this one, just to see how far it can go. I may be overreacting to the horror stories of short belt life, but each time I changed a belt I was getting ready for a trip and didn't want to risk it with a high mileage belt......I think I'll start rotating them?! All three of the belts I've taken off still have a lot of service left......none show the cracking that I've seen on a few belts posted here. I think belt life is more a function of age rather than miles.


I hear Helix riders talk about running the same belt for 20000 + miles.....but these are usually serious riders who rack up heavy miles in a short time. The reccommended 11,000 mile limit seems low.

The ones I removed got wiped down with belt dressing and dropped in a sealed plastic bag for emergency future use, just in case our leaders' long range economic plans don't work out. :|


How do you like running with an extra 15grams?

I know you're getting good mileage but how's the acceleration?

I still haven't tried a heavier than stock combo on the Veypor,
but I did try 162 grams in the testing I did last year.
If I remember, it peaked at about 5200 rpm before upshifting?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 9:21 am 
I've never tried it.

I'm going to test it in May.

I really don't give a shit about acceleration for 1000 or so miles of open interstate. I'll run a couple tanks of gas through and see how she runs. I figure as long as I can still maintain at least 70mph I'll do it. It should get better mileage, enough to offset the $10 I spent on the Reflex rollers over the course of the round trip.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:17 pm 
BRed wrote:
.... but if your goal is a quick 1/4 mile, take my advice........
use an old belt.

Yep, I'll be putting that old one back on before Durham! :D



LOL .....its not gonna help ya,...you're still gonna end-up buying me a Jack.... :wink:


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I'll be running a new belt, oem variator, 3-26 gram and 3-31 gram weights to NC. Then changing to old belt, and Costa -2 pins when I get there!



:ucrazy: :ucrazy: ......ummmm.....did'nt you say you're a 300 pounder????....what-the-fuck-are-you-doin-runnin-those heavy-fauwkin-weights? :bitchslap: ....sliders dude,...19g & 21g sliders to be more precise.. :bitchslap: ..... :wink:

You have the costa in-hand?.....installing at CON?.... :banger: .... 8)

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 Post subject: Re: DR Pulley slider upgrade kit
PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:27 pm 
I've been running a costa since last spring.

I was in on the first group buy.

Dude I don't plan on running heavy weights for anything but the open interstate. I'm just trying to keep rpm's down for the hours on end I'll beriding to get there. I know the BR can take it but why force it to? I'm not racing to get there, or back again. I'm just trying to save wear and tear and improve gas mileage.

Does this sound reasonable?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:30 pm 
welllllll,.....maybe......maybe not,....in my mind...it may make the engine work harder by not running in its powerband,...not sure,.....but I think Ed, & Dick Seng have both found that the costa equalled or bettered the OEM variator for mileage.... :| ....as long as you use a little self-control..... :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: DR Pulley slider upgrade kit
PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:48 pm 
Additionally I'm trying to save my Costa from unnecessary wear.

I think we have all seen the pics and read the description of the demise of Ed's Costa...

Hey, if overweight rollers suck bad, then i'll run 6-26 gram oem weights in stock variator with new belt out to the con.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 12:36 pm 
On the rollers.......
if the (3x31g+3x26g) doesn't work out,
consider trying the full Reflex set (3x31g+3x21g) for 156G instead of the BR set (6x26g).

One thing I found is that different weight rollers (3+3) usually have a higher shift point for the same weight compared to 6 equal weight rollers, but you get the same top end from either combo. Different weight rollers also tended to downshift sooner.

I'm interested in hearing how that combo works.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 7:10 pm 
OK here's the latest. First off- BIG Thanks to BRed & Sawman for my 19g sliders, they are awesome.
As many of you know my drive belt broke last Thrusday as I was leaving for Con. I got a new one put on an made it there Friday nite.
Sat. nite i got the sliders put in, so the big test was the drive home today.
I was EASILY cruising at 70mph with room to spare, when needed.
I kept good records of my mileage.
I started with a full tank (duh)
128 miles=2.1 gallons=61 mpg (I did cruise thru downtown raleigh for about 15-16 miles)
116 miles=2.0 gallons=58 mpg
138 miles=2.5 gallons=55 mpg

I hit it WOT several times today just to see how she'd do. (still don't have a name for the scoot yet).
I figure about 60 mpg is the best estimate. The first 128 miles I did not go WOT, so doing that in the other tanks of gas obviously altered the figures.
I hope this helps some folks. I was VERY hesitant to do any kind of mod to my scoot. but that can has been opened now.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 3:58 am 
Good info, Chris!
that's very close to the mileage numbers I got running the 19g sliders.

We're glad your ride home was more fun and less eventful than the ride up! :D

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 4:32 am 
Thanks Ed. I can definately live with 60mpg.
I hope ya had a happy birthday I felt like it was mine.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 6:09 am 
I think I'm getting about 55 mpg with my 19g sliders, but then again, my BR is hauling a LOT more human than Chris's is!!! :D

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 6:28 am 
BIGWIZ wrote:
I think I'm getting about 55 mpg with my 19g sliders, but then again, my BR is hauling a LOT more human than Chris's is!!! :D


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PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2011 8:38 pm 
Bump for the member searching for Veypor graphs of various roller weights....
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