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 Post subject: Re: Theory of Belt/Variator Relativity
PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 7:05 pm 
Thread cleaned up at OP's request.

Bddbddd.....

If you feel like expounding your knowledge of 21st century variator technology, please feel free to start your own thread...
You still have an active account, for now.

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 Post subject: Re: Theory of Belt/Variator Relativity
PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 7:31 pm 
..theres a difference between modding and working.

you guys havent even understood it to mod it. its not stated clear here. I made a picture, i put some big ol' x ex' es you see that? X a letter x put that there, where i was making points. drawing attention to it. how can you repeat what i say then not get the point i made about

.. FIG2 of the drawing could also represent a loose belt from either the width worn from riding, usually, or the length being too long, from not accurate belt makers. like gates for one for example.

if you guys are goign to take a.. variable such as a worn out, not reliable accurate made belt like a gates, or anything the length is longer on, and throw it into yoru results and not keep tabs on it, then this whole, experiment might as well go with the rest of the important information what you do with it. too. out.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 8:27 pm 
Hi buddy! Remember me! What brand should I get agian? :hihi: :censor: :hihi: :hihi: :censor: :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 8:28 pm 
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 8:35 pm 
I got a Daytona everything on my ruckus have since the dawn of time. I don't know anything about any of this really except I like what I have and my variator uses smaller rollers then everyone runs for the most part. But again I do like it I'll read this thread tommorow and see if it makes any since but had to see its deffinttly that guy

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 8:38 pm 
what is this? an advertisement for gates? i thought it was an experiment ? i said i was wasted my time, i just asked cause i wanted to know. myself. anyway. i dont care. what you think.


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 Post subject: Re: Theory of Belt/Variator Relativity
PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2015 12:32 am 
The last couple of days I've been running a RUK variator with a Gates belt. The RUK is the smallest diameter variator I have at 89mm (about the same as the KN), and the Gates is the shortest belt, at 785mm.
I used the usual sharpie marks on the variator test, and it completely wiped out the marks. That tells me for sure that the Gates is long enough to max out on the vari, and since it's the shortest belt, it would be deeper into the clutch than any of the longer options. Thus giving an optimal ratio between drive and driven (like fig.1 in the first post). So, in my opinion based on this, if you have a relatively small variator, say 88-92mm, the Gates is probably the best choice.

I also did some mock-ups with a 97mm Malossi. I put just the back clutch pulley on the shaft, and used some duct tape to hold the variator and drive face fully opened. So, with the belt in place, you can see where it would ride on the clutch pulleys in "high gear."
The Gates is too short, it bottoms out in the clutch before it maxes out on the vari.
The other aftermarket belts I tried were ALL too long, when maxed out on the vari they didn't reach the bottom of the clutch. Granted, they all have some miles on them, so there's probably some stretch involved, but none were worn out. (Kitaco, Daytona, CF Posh, Polini)

The belt that fit the best? The stock Bando! :shock: I'm looking for a Kevlar belt with the dimensions of the Bando, but no luck so far.

I would love for someone else to duplicate this and see what you think. If I'm full of sheeit, I need someone to share the blame. :P And I know we're just talking a few millimeters, you're not likely to gain or lose a bunch, but when you're questing for another couple of mph, every little bit helps.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2015 9:02 am 
So how was ur acceleration using that first combo OF? Did going to a taller variator change it that much?

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 Post subject: Re: Theory of Belt/Variator Relativity
PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2015 11:28 am 
I think we've been limiting ourselves. If you carry a belt to a few stores you'll prolly find far more options. I know most parts stores offer fractional horsepower belts like industrial fans and mowers use. There are also rubber based cord reinforced belts that larger trucks use. When I'm back from CarolinaCon I'll try a few of those and see what happens.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2015 12:36 pm 
I'd just make sure the ramp angles remained the same (matched the clutch/variator) but yeah, play with the thicknesses and lengths.....ya never know!

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 Post subject: Re: Theory of Belt/Variator Relativity
PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2015 2:59 pm 
Jesquivel wrote:
So how was ur acceleration using that first combo OF? Did going to a taller variator change it that much?

Acceleration with the RUK/Gates was very good, the RUK is very torque-y. I'd rank it right up with the KN for low-end, or maybe even a little better.

I had plans to try the Malossi with the Bando belt today (I've always ran it with a Kitaco belt). Unfortunately, Mama Nature had other ideas, it started raining as soon as I opened the garage door, and hasn't stopped since.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2015 4:36 pm 
Nothing to add here yet, just found this thread.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2015 7:47 pm 
5prock3t wrote:
Nothing to add here yet, just found this thread.
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You don't get off that easy, I want an opinion! I know you have tried both the Bando and the Gates with your SN, have you noticed any difference in top speed?
I would expect the Bando to give you a little better performance on both ends, can you confirm or deny?

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2015 9:15 pm 
I was a band guy 100%...but I've tried 3 gates now. ..1st 2 with better results than the 3rd...now I want a cdi.
BUT, I'm thinkin the gates cut its angle and now I need to go back to ban do next time...longer/wider/better!

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